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Re: An interesting book

bo...@purr.demon.co.uk (Jack Campin - bogus address) — Mon, 15 Mrz. 2010 17:11:55 UT

[Curt Sachs]
The point of Sachs's analysis is that the major/minor system *didn't*
arise as an outgrowth of modality (maybe you meant to say that, it
wasn't clear to me). Instead, he sees it as the result of the
interaction of a very ancient kind of folk tonality found in melodies
of narrow range and an instrumental practice that historically arrived

Re: Useless theoretical chords

fi...@no_spam.intxtdoc.demon.co.uk (Fiona Abrahami) — Mon, 15 Mrz. 2010 15:54:54 UT

"Ludwig77" <gregjg...@gmail.com> wrote
Aweful?? That's just a matter of taste. Anyway, it's also a matter of
context and voicing. Me, I really like the sus6 chord, indeed, I've written
at least one piece using it as a primary chord.
Fiona

Re: Useless theoretical chords

tkor...@comcast.net (Tom K.) — Mon, 15 Mrz. 2010 15:19:16 UT

The term "useless" is highly subjective in this context. Do you mean chords
which are decorative (linear) rather than functional, or chords which in
your terms "sound awful"?
For example, one chord you curiously omit would be C, E, Gb, Bb, Db or
C7(b5,b9). I use this chord quite frequently both in root position and in

Re: An interesting book

ljsche...@gmail.com (LJS) — Mon, 15 Mrz. 2010 14:10:31 UT

By qualified I do not mean that he was not a competent musician or
theorist. In order to be qualified to say that the Church music was
not representative of the music of the time, he would have to have
more access to the secular music of the time. Maybe he had more
information than has been shown here, but until I see the music that

Useless theoretical chords

gregjg...@gmail.com (Ludwig77) — Mon, 15 Mrz. 2010 11:03:29 UT

I'm looking for a list of chords that are theoretical but useless.
For instance, on paper, a maj11th is a valid chord, but it sounds
awful. The same might go for a suspended 6th chord.
I'm looking for this list because I teach music and am trying to weed
out such chords from a list that I have compiled.

Re: An interesting book

vi...@online.de (Vilen) — Mon, 15 Mrz. 2010 10:08:28 UT

In any case the hypothesis that he was qualified deserves an
attention. I am sure that he was.
There is notion of chord notes. I think that the notion sub-scale or
somewhat similar may be used instead it. I think that a chord is
subordinate technique although very important one.
Undoubtedly the Bass is basis as it is his overtones. But main

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Re: An interesting book

vi...@online.de (Vilen) — Thu, 11 Mrz. 2010 11:54:32 UT

Dear LJS,
I must make a pause for a of couple days.
Sorry, Yuri.

Re: An interesting book

ljsche...@gmail.com (LJS) — Wed, 10 Mrz. 2010 20:37:51 UT

I am not sure what this means but it sounds like he is not qualified
to say that the music of the Church is not representative of the music
of the time as I understand this part of the post. Am I mistaken?
Subscales? I don't know what this would mean. Without an explanation
of this term, I can't make any sense of this part of the post. It

Re: An interesting book

vi...@online.de (Vilen) — Wed, 10 Mrz. 2010 08:03:16 UT

On 7 Mrz., 23:52, Jack Campin - bogus address <bo...@purr.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
It is more correct to say that his research hasn't become „ cutting-
edge historical research“. Different reasons could be named e.g. the
time and edition of publication. Besides the book doesn't directly
concern music theory.

Re: New microtonal group at google.

haberg_20080...@math.su.se (Hans Aberg) — Tue, 09 Mrz. 2010 23:39:40 UT

This was a comment on the E24 article you mentioned. Note that the
augmented 6th in quarter-comma meantone (or E31) is a very good
approximation of the interval 7/4, but the latter gets two commas off in
E53. So E53 + the diatonic scale degrees is probably not a good
candidate for CPP music.
Hans

Re: New microtonal group at google.

robertthomasmar...@gmail.com (robertthomasmartin) — Tue, 09 Mrz. 2010 10:59:31 UT

From Robert. There is a Page entitled Project Commator 53tet at this
group. The owner of the Project Commator site is a member of
microtonal google (he lives in the Ukraine). Our group supports all
tuning systems and temperaments. I am familiar with 53tet.

Re: New microtonal group at google.

haberg_20080...@math.su.se (Hans Aberg) — Tue, 09 Mrz. 2010 10:22:15 UT

Though Arab music uses E24 notation, that is not what the play. Instead,
try say E53 with minor second m = 4, major second M = 9, and a neutral
second n = 6 E53 tonesteps or commas. The microtonal sharp raises with n
- m = 2 commas, and the microtonal flat lowers with M - n = 3 commas.
Alternatively, you might try E36, with n = 3, n = 4, M = 6, so the

Re: New microtonal group at google.

robertthomasmar...@gmail.com (robertthomasmartin) — Tue, 09 Mrz. 2010 01:08:20 UT

On Mar 9, 11:08 am, Jack Campin - bogus address
From Robert. I'm very sorry but I have no idea how I can help you. I
own another microtonal group at:
[link]
which might better suit you. You are welcome to join both groups if
you can see a way past your difficulties.

Re: New microtonal group at google.

bo...@purr.demon.co.uk (Jack Campin - bogus address) — Tue, 09 Mrz. 2010 00:08:43 UT

Is there an NNTP feed for it? (I use albasani, a free server in
Germany).
Google's web-news interface is appalling at best and doesn't work
at all on the machine I normally use.
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